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This article is a response to advv 's article called "Statistics of Poland’s conquests and betrayals", which you can find here .

A ridiculous amount of reaching statements and lies have been written there that I don't even... whatever. So I decided to expose them in this article. I guess he just doesn't understand meaning of word "betrayal".

Ok, so here we go:

1. Bosnia and Herzegovina



Bosnia and Herzegovina was liberated only to be occupied by Poland.


How could we betray Bosnia if they were never our ally? During our occupation of Serbia, Bosnian president was Joxa - one of the The Trollympians leaders, a serbian MU. So he made an agreement with Serbian CP - Gaddafi that Bosnia will be fighting for Serbia against Poland and after Serbia will regain their freedom, Serbia will not conquer Bosnia again. The deal was accepted and Bosnia were fighting in every battle against Poland. And now you're saying that we "betrayed Bosnia", our enemy. That makes sense!

Doesn't count.

2. Finland



Finland was liberated from Swedish occupation, in order to be sacrificed for Russia. But Russians refused to conquer Finland. Later, Finland was occupied by Lithuania.


That was after creation of WoC/G7, when Finland was (is) in the anti-G7 alliance, they were (are) our enemies, so how exactly could we "betray" them?

Doesn't count.

3. Norway.



Poland proposed Russia help to conquer Norway and Finland. These colonies and large part of taxes from russian high-region Western Russia were proposed in exchange to loyalty of Russia to Poland. Russia refused this proposition.


A similar story to this of Bosnia. Norway and Poland have never been allies, therefore we couldn't betray them. You just don't undersatand what betrayal is.

Doesn't count.

4. China



Now China is weak and dying out country, but stays staunch supporter of Poland. Population of China was highly decreasing after defeat in Indonesia (high region Sumatra). Have Poland helped China? No. Poland continued own conquests, so China’s CP was afraid and offered to Russia and Indonesia to sign a NAP.


What we have to do with their "decreasing population"? We can't help them in that.
China and Indonesia ARE ALLIES, it was China's original idea to invite Indonesia into WoC. LOL. China and Indonesia have signed a NAP MONTHS AGO, but that was due to their decreasing population and they weren't able to hold Sumatra any longer, but it has nothing to do with Poland.

Doesn't count.

5. Spain



Do you remember the story with debt, when Poland conquered Spain only in order to cancel debt of Poland?



How could we betray Spain, if we were (are) enemies? Poland conquered Spain because our countries were enemies, and we became enemies, because Spain has stolen our gold (they didn't cancel the debt after we fulfilled our obligations towards them), while they have left our alliance. In fact, they betrayed us.

Doesn't count.

6. Lithuania



When Alpha were dying, Lithuania had signed the NAP with Poland, but this NAP has only deferred the occupation of Lithuania by Poland. Lithuania lost a lot during time before entering into G7. First, Lithuanian’s MUs with common word in names – ‘BAY’ – became mercenaries, next they had PTO-ed Chile, and now they are fully independent. Entered into G7. Lithuania became polish puppy. But Poland needs to consider Lithuania’s interests for military assistance.


Probably the biggest facepalm. How could we betray Lithuania if we were in war with them since the very beggining of the game? In the and we got stronger and we have won more battles than them, so this is what you "betrayal"? Winning battles against an enemy? "Ok".

Doesn't count.

7. Canada



The help for occupation of Canada was proposed by Poland to USA and Russia. But both countries declined this disgraceful proposition.


100% the same story as of Finland.
"That was after creating of WoC/G7, when Canada was (is) in the anti-G7 alliance, they were (are) our enemies, so how exactly could we "betray" them?"

Doesn't count.

8. Ukraine



Polish ex-ally. Now Ukraine is occupied by Romania, which is much strong than Ukraine. Ukraine tried many times to become allies with Poland again , but with no success.
Ukraine was betrayed by Poland.

9. Portugal



Portugal had occupied Brazil and was good strategic, ally because night damage of AGC often were draining against Portugal and Brazil, but not against Poland. Poland could feel itself in safe.
But after… Portugal was betrayed by Poland.

10. Sweden



During the hard times for Poland, Sweden for the benefit of Poland’s interests had occupied and was holding three russian regions without high-resources - Northwestern Russia, Siberia and Kamchatka. Russian resistance wars were successful from time to time, and Sweden were forced to renounce own colony – Finland – for the benefit of Poland’s interests. Finland was accepted as member of Omega and was fighting for Poland’s interests.
Both, Finland and Sweden were betrayed.

11.Latvia



Lithuania was against entering of Latvia to anti-Poland alliance AGC. Lithuania, Russia and Latvia were occupied almost in one time. First, Poland gave freedom to Latvia, next to Lithuania, to have an opportunity to go to East. After, in fact, Poland presented Latvia to Lithuania, because neighboring Sweden and Finland were polish allies. Latvia was at the side of pro-Poland alliance Omega, but this fact had not saved Latvia from occupation.
Later, in times of G7, interests of allied Latvia were betrayed again.


WoC was originally established to fight agains Unico alliance, not Omega. This alliance was not aimed in Ukraine, Portugal, Sweden or Latvia, those countries were in Omega. WoC was neutral towards Omega, but it was Omega who decided to join Unico and go in war against WoC. Ukraine, Portugal, Sweden and Latvia were independent (inside) countries and they had free will to do what they want. Noone forced them to fight against Poland. So yep, it is rather THEM who betrayed Poland, because Poland didn't want to fight against them, they wanted against us.

Don't count.

12. Greece



Greece also was the member of Unico, but was fighting at side of Omega. But Poland had the plans to conquer Greece. Only because Russia and USA refused an entering into G7, and resistance of Russians and Serbs was so intense, Poland couldn’t realize them.


"Greece also was the member of Unico, but was fighting at side of Omega". Interesting. Cannot remember that (maybe because it's not true?). Greece was a member of another alliance than Poland and they were fighting A LOT for USA, against Poland (hail Mugiwara Pirates!) - one of two first reasons I started looking for a possibilty of a new alliance - thanks Greece.
We didn't betray them because they weren't our allies, not even friends. Last time Greece was fighting for Poland was in TM times, so when we were into the same alliance.

Doesn't count.

13. Serbia



Serbia was member of Unico. Alliance Unico had good relations with Poland and was fighting for polish interests... but Serbia was conquered by Poland.


I admit, in contrast to the Greece - when we were in Omega - Serbia were fighting for Poland at times (but not more than we were fighting for them). It's much better to have Serbia on your side than Grecee, but anyway we were not in the same alliance, we just have common interests.

That one could actual count.

To summary:
0-1/13.
Half of the countries that you listed were/still are our enemies, so we simply coudn't betray them.
The other half we simply didn't beytral or they beytrayed us.
But thanks for trying.

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